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	<title>Comments on: Independent Voter Registration Efforts Not Going Away</title>
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		<title>By: Champaign County Clerk</title>
		<link>http://blog.champaigncountyclerk.com/2009/10/01/independent-voter-registration-efforts-not-going-away/comment-page-1/#comment-782</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Oct 2009 16:28:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Joyce, you&#039;re right about ACORN and other groups.  They really are just collecting forms.  In some ways, they are in a catch 22.  If they turn in invalid forms, they get criticized.  If they don&#039;t turn in forms, they might be violating the law.  This whole topic deserves a post in and of itself.  

We also had issues with the WVWV.  I&#039;m not sure what they used for mailing lists, but it&#039;s a classic case of how these lists aren&#039;t the end all for accuracy.  I got a chuckle in Gerken&#039;s book when she said that mail solicitation lists should be compared to the state&#039;s registration list and that the mail solicitation companies have compiled extremely accurate databases.  She&#039;s obviously not looking in my mailbox.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joyce, you&#8217;re right about ACORN and other groups.  They really are just collecting forms.  In some ways, they are in a catch 22.  If they turn in invalid forms, they get criticized.  If they don&#8217;t turn in forms, they might be violating the law.  This whole topic deserves a post in and of itself.  </p>
<p>We also had issues with the WVWV.  I&#8217;m not sure what they used for mailing lists, but it&#8217;s a classic case of how these lists aren&#8217;t the end all for accuracy.  I got a chuckle in Gerken&#8217;s book when she said that mail solicitation lists should be compared to the state&#8217;s registration list and that the mail solicitation companies have compiled extremely accurate databases.  She&#8217;s obviously not looking in my mailbox.</p>
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		<title>By: Joyce McCloy</title>
		<link>http://blog.champaigncountyclerk.com/2009/10/01/independent-voter-registration-efforts-not-going-away/comment-page-1/#comment-781</link>
		<dc:creator>Joyce McCloy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Oct 2009 16:08:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mark, there seems to be a widespread misunderstanding ACORN (and other groups) actually register voters. 

They do not. ACORN (and Womens Voices, Women Vote) perform voter registration drives.
It would be more accurate to say, but too wordy that:
ACORN performs Voter Registration APPLICATION Drives.

ACORN turns those forms over to registrars, clerks, election directors or supervisor&#039;s offices, and then those officials process them.  

Mark, could you explain what happens when election officials process voter registration applications?

Also, it irritates me that very little is said about Women&#039;s Voices Women Vote, who bombarded unsuspecting voters in dozens of states with partially completed voter registration forms that sometimes were inaccurate.  Officials still had to go through any of the WVWV forms if voters sent them in.

I spoke with one official and she said some voters turned in the WVWV forms and effectively changed their voter reg info to -wrong- info.

We also had registered voters calling election offices who wondered why they were being sent forms, or asking why forms were sent to deceased members of their family and even family pets.

WVWV also made anonymous robo calls to registered African American voters telling them they weren&#039;t registered and that they needed to complete a form that WVW would send, and THEN they could vote.  This was during the Presidentail Primary in North Carolina. WVWV failed to mention in these calls that voters could register to vote *in person* during that early voting period.

Our Atty General told WVW not to come back to NC until they were prepared to meet with our officials and map out a plan to obey our laws. They also had to pay a huge fine.
Unfortunately, the only law we could hold them to was the law against anonymous robo calls.
Everything else they did they got off scott free.

I spoke with officials in other states and they wished they had a law to stop this.

Sorry went on too long.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mark, there seems to be a widespread misunderstanding ACORN (and other groups) actually register voters. </p>
<p>They do not. ACORN (and Womens Voices, Women Vote) perform voter registration drives.<br />
It would be more accurate to say, but too wordy that:<br />
ACORN performs Voter Registration APPLICATION Drives.</p>
<p>ACORN turns those forms over to registrars, clerks, election directors or supervisor&#8217;s offices, and then those officials process them.  </p>
<p>Mark, could you explain what happens when election officials process voter registration applications?</p>
<p>Also, it irritates me that very little is said about Women&#8217;s Voices Women Vote, who bombarded unsuspecting voters in dozens of states with partially completed voter registration forms that sometimes were inaccurate.  Officials still had to go through any of the WVWV forms if voters sent them in.</p>
<p>I spoke with one official and she said some voters turned in the WVWV forms and effectively changed their voter reg info to -wrong- info.</p>
<p>We also had registered voters calling election offices who wondered why they were being sent forms, or asking why forms were sent to deceased members of their family and even family pets.</p>
<p>WVWV also made anonymous robo calls to registered African American voters telling them they weren&#8217;t registered and that they needed to complete a form that WVW would send, and THEN they could vote.  This was during the Presidentail Primary in North Carolina. WVWV failed to mention in these calls that voters could register to vote *in person* during that early voting period.</p>
<p>Our Atty General told WVW not to come back to NC until they were prepared to meet with our officials and map out a plan to obey our laws. They also had to pay a huge fine.<br />
Unfortunately, the only law we could hold them to was the law against anonymous robo calls.<br />
Everything else they did they got off scott free.</p>
<p>I spoke with officials in other states and they wished they had a law to stop this.</p>
<p>Sorry went on too long.</p>
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		<title>By: COACHEP &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Posts about ACORN as of October 1, 2009</title>
		<link>http://blog.champaigncountyclerk.com/2009/10/01/independent-voter-registration-efforts-not-going-away/comment-page-1/#comment-739</link>
		<dc:creator>COACHEP &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Posts about ACORN as of October 1, 2009</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Oct 2009 05:44:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] has happened with Representative Turner in his defense of his associate Ty Cobb,” said Devaney.   Independent Voter Registration Efforts Not Going Away - blog.champaigncountyclerk.com 10/01/2009 Proponents of automatic voter registration through [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] has happened with Representative Turner in his defense of his associate Ty Cobb,” said Devaney.   Independent Voter Registration Efforts Not Going Away &#8211; blog.champaigncountyclerk.com 10/01/2009 Proponents of automatic voter registration through [...]</p>
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